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05:11 trelane I have followed the instructions on http://www.freepbx.org/trac/wiki/UbuntuServer, and am booting a gumstix, I get the following output and then it hangs. http://pastebin.com/7u5CBQq3.
05:11 trelane I did, then did not copy the boot.scr (because the geometry is for a panda not a gumstix)
05:16 trelane http://pastebin.com/F07sMNN9
05:16 trelane is the output from ls -asl on the fat32 partition
05:27 twb trelane: "Loading u-boot.bin from mmc" is the last message?
05:28 twb Most obvious guess is the system is not configured to send boot-time console, and the login screen to the serial port
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05:30 trelane yeah
05:30 trelane hrm
05:30 trelane could be
05:30 trelane in fact, not unlikely
05:32 twb Note that it's not always ttyS0 on embedded ARM
05:32 twb often it's ACM0 or some other fun thing, I dunno about your device
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05:37 trelane ttyS2 on gumstix
05:37 trelane I didn't set it
05:37 trelane give me a few
05:37 twb You need to do it in two places: first, console=/dev/ttyS2 passed to the kernel, and second you need an /etc/init/ttyS2.conf that is similar to the ones for tty0.conf et al
05:38 twb I am speaking in general; I am not an expert re. arm
05:40 trelane noted
05:44 twb trelane: out of curiosity, where is the rootfs in your system? In the MLO/ dir?
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05:53 trelane second ext4 partition on the SD card
05:54 trelane partition 1 has MLO u-boot uImage boot.scr
05:54 twb Ah, righto
05:54 trelane partition 2 has the ubuntu-base
05:54 trelane extracted as an ext4 partition
05:54 trelane I'm playing with the boot.scr script
05:54 trelane even if I can't get IT to output to /dev/ttyS2, I _SHOULD_ be able to get the kernel or at least getty to do os
05:55 trelane really I'm not picky
05:55 trelane as long as I get a boot prompt
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06:01 twb We'll see if you feel the same AFTER it stops working for some strange reason and you want to debug it ;-)
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10:19 IamTrying Is there any latest release for Ubuntu? Last-time i had problem to keep Ubuntu inside the "Eee pad transformer" where i need to do manually boot else it does abnormal loop .
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10:23 twb IamTrying: you have a TF101?
10:23 shaola twb: are you trent?
10:24 twb yes
10:24 IamTrying twb, exactly TF101
10:24 shaola hi, iker
10:24 twb shaola: I'm also going home in about five minutes, sorry
10:24 shaola i got working multitouch in debian armhf
10:24 shaola i was writting you an email
10:24 twb IamTrying: lilstevie has some pages and code on the xda web forum, which you can use to get oneiric working OK
10:24 twb shaola: cool
10:25 IamTrying twb, i think i did that and i end up with this: http://i.imgur.com/AGSzH.png
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10:26 twb I get that sometimes when trying to shut down / reboot
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10:27 twb Especially if I halt/reboot while the dock is connected
10:27 twb Or it may be a completely different koops to mine, I can't see there the actual error
10:27 twb IamTrying: you are using the OLiFE installer that has the interactive prompting menu stuff?
10:28 IamTrying Yes for the very first time i had a luck one time and after reboot / shutdown since then i am lost i can not use it anymore.
10:28 twb IamTrying: if so, you have to pick the first option (Android + Linux, default to Android) or it has misc bugs
10:28 IamTrying Always using OLiFE yes, thats they best one well done.
10:28 IamTrying There was a problem bug, like you can not auto mate it
10:28 twb OLiFE is made by lilstevie, who is here but probably away because he has a girlfriend
10:28 IamTrying You have to press button up or something to boot
10:29 twb IamTrying: right
10:29 IamTrying Yea sure.
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10:29 shaola we are talking in #asus-transformer
10:29 twb You have to hit Power+VolDN during the early boot, and then it will prompt to press VolUp which if you do, will boot oneiric
10:29 twb shaola: ah, thanks
10:29 twb adds it to autojoin list
10:30 IamTrying The problem i there is no stable release with OLiFE for this? So that i can put one Ubuntu stable now like my Android tablet is "he is dead, useless"
10:30 twb IamTrying: this is all alpha-quality early days stuff, sorry
10:30 lilstevie there is no stable
10:30 lilstevie not yet
10:30 IamTrying We really need one :)
10:30 twb IamTrying: but it is (almost) impossible to brick it completely
10:30 lilstevie I am 1 person, who has very very little contributions back
10:31 twb IamTrying: even if you mess up the install you should be able to reinstall again with nvflash
10:31 lilstevie twb, the only way to brick is hardware damage
10:31 lilstevie :)
10:31 twb lilstevie: because you have a girlfriend to waste your time :P
10:31 lilstevie APX is a bootrom mechanism
10:31 lilstevie twb, no I mean like nobody else contributes
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10:31 twb Yeah because I'm a lazy bum
10:32 lilstevie the only *real* code contribution has been the network-manager patch for the bcm4329 driver
10:32 IamTrying Can we not put Tizen at-least so that we got some options if Ubuntu not then at-least Tizen or other Linux to survive without built-in Android.
10:32 twb And my old machine is still bricked so I can't mess with my TF easily :-(
10:32 shaola lilstevie: i am trying to do something, but i am not that good
10:32 twb shaola: even testing and reporting bugs is helpful IMO
10:32 twb And writing documentation
10:33 shaola yes, i know
10:33 shaola i try to do my best in debian
10:33 shaola reporting bugs, writing for people who knows less than me, i even mantain a simple package
10:33 twb Pub time, bye
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10:34 lilstevie yes, even documenting and bug reports are useful
10:34 lilstevie but even that is lax on contributions
10:34 shaola lilstevie: are you DD?
10:34 shaola y know twb is DD
10:34 lilstevie DD?
10:35 shaola Debian Developer
10:35 lilstevie no
10:35 lilstevie I am unaffiliated
10:35 shaola ok
10:35 shaola so tell me
10:35 shaola what do you need?
10:35 lilstevie I am a school teacher :p
10:36 shaola congratulations for having the best and the worst profession in the same time
10:36 lilstevie yep :p
10:36 lilstevie anyway, what I need is people to take some of the load off me for supporting everything
10:36 lilstevie :p
10:37 shaola i am not good programming
10:37 shaola that's my problem
10:37 lilstevie aka; support for users, documentation, kernel patches
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10:37 shaola i learned so many years ago with qbasic manual in my home when i was a kid
10:37 shaola but ,... basic is not programing
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10:38 shaola anyway, i am kind of busy till mid february
10:38 lilstevie heh, I'm not the best programmer, but I have been getting better, well when I am not making stupid mistakes like sizeof(pointer)
10:39 lilstevie anyway, as two said before, I have a girlfriend, and she wants to go to the whops
10:39 lilstevie shops*
10:39 lilstevie later
10:39 shaola yeah, the first is the first
10:39 shaola i don't know if there is an english expresion like that
10:39 shaola maybe too literaly
10:39 shaola but i think you know what i mean
10:40 shaola so, go and enjoy (aghhhh) shopping
10:40 shaola :P
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12:40 Guest9392 slangasek: could you please have a look to this bug/patch https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/multistrap/+bug/874505 TIA
12:40 ubot2` Launchpad bug 874505 in multistrap "Native Multistrap oneiric chroots have an error configuring base-files" [Undecided,Confirmed]
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14:12 ogra_ twiddles thumbs watching an ac100 alpha2 testinstall
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14:20 ogra_ hmm, no slideshow on the ac100 installer
14:23 lilstevie heh
14:26 Daviey ogra_: What do you want, sparkly pony pictures?
14:29 ogra_ just the std ubiquity slideshow :)
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14:33 lilstevie totally thought Daviey said "sparkly porn pictures"
14:38 ogra_ he meant to say that but typoed :P
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16:07 jayson_ Hi, has anyone got ubuntu working on a qualcomm board
16:07 jayson_ I have a dragon board with me & its got android
16:07 jayson_ I can flash android related images onto it using fastboot
16:07 ogra_ jayson_, the guys in #linaro do afaik
16:08 jayson_ but I want to wipe out fastboot & try to install uboot
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16:08 jayson_ thanks ogra_ - I'll give it a shot
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16:37 shadeslayer lilstevie: dude, is there any hope of getting a native ubuntu boot on a device with SBKv2 ?
16:37 shadeslayer You mentioned last time that there might be a way ... haven't heard anything for the past 2 months or so
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17:09 ogra_ GrueMaster, did you get a kbd selection dialog in any of your install tests the last days ?
17:09 GrueMaster Yes, on omap/omap4/mx5.
17:10 GrueMaster I think. I'm pulling the latest builds now, will test very soon.
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17:29 lilstevie shadeslayer, yes, but I have been really busy the past month or so
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17:30 shadeslayer lilstevie: understood, I'll patiently wait, let me know if there's anyway I can help :)
17:31 shadeslayer with testing and stuff
17:31 lilstevie ok
17:31 lilstevie well bed time
17:31 shadeslayer night :)
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18:42 GrueMaster I'm wondering if bug 838200 is u-boot or kernel related. It is highly annoying, whatever the root cause.
18:42 ubot2` Launchpad bug 838200 in u-boot-linaro "No network support on Beagle XM" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/838200
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19:32 GrueMaster ogra_: keyboard selection comes up on omap4 desktop. Could be the images don't like you. :P
19:32 ogra_ bah, ok
19:33 ogra_ might be that something clashes with the new wlan step in ubiquity
19:33 ogra_ i assume you dont get that on panda
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20:27 GrueMaster I have all my systems wired. I could try wireless during install (I usually wait until login to test it).
20:27 GrueMaster Sigh. Analog audio is broken again on omap4.
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20:49 dioxin Hi guys, I'm trying to force ubuntu to start with a terminal rather than gnome on a pandaboard, anyideas?
20:50 GrueMaster Use the preinstalled server image instead of preinstalled desktop.
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20:51 dioxin ok, but going that route I wasnt able to get gnome running at all
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20:53 GrueMaster Hmm. There may be a way through one of the /etc/init conf files. I just don't test that.
20:53 infinity When you say "a terminal", do you mean a text console, or a GUI session with a terminal application?
20:54 dioxin text console
20:54 infinity If the former, just disable lightdm.
20:54 infinity Or gdm, on older releases before we switched.
20:55 dioxin I've ssh'ed in, stopping lightdm doesnt bring the main display to a console
20:56 infinity What does it do?
20:56 dioxin it gives me a display of recently stopped processes, but doesnt give me commandline access
20:57 infinity Alt-F1
20:58 dioxin ok that worked
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21:00 infinity dioxin: If you add "text" to your kernel command line, that should prohibit fancy graphical stuff from starting on boot.
21:00 GrueMaster dioxin: What happens when you move /etc/init/lightdm.conf to a different directory and reboot?
21:00 infinity (Alternately, yeah, you can mangle/remove lightdm's config)
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21:02 dioxin where are the kernal command
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21:03 GrueMaster ???
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21:03 dioxin where are the kernal commands stored, i.e where do I edit them
21:03 RoyK hi all. any idea why lshw is dying on me on this pandaboard? http://paste.ubuntu.com/825549/
21:04 GrueMaster dioxin: I think you are referring to /boot/boot.script if you want to change the kernel boot parameters. You will need to run "sudo flash-kernel" after editing this file.
21:05 infinity dioxin: sudo sed -i -e 's/splash/text/' /boot/boot.script && sudo flash-kernel
21:05 GrueMaster RoyK: What kernel/Ubuntu release?
21:06 RoyK GrueMaster: http://paste.ubuntu.com/825556/
21:07 infinity Yeahp, SIGBUS here too. Wonder why no one's ever noticed that before. :P
21:07 infinity RoyK: Can you file a bug?
21:08 RoyK sure
21:08 infinity RoyK: To be fair, even if fixed, it won't be wildly informative on ARM. You'll get USB, and that's it.
21:08 infinity RoyK: So, lsusb will work fine for you. :P
21:08 infinity RoyK: But it should still be fixed to not break.
21:10 RoyK hm... so where'll the wifi chipset be connected on this pandaboard? on usb?
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21:10 infinity If only you were so lucky.
21:11 infinity No, there are a few devices connected on (usually SoC-specific) busses on all ARM devices, but they're not probable, and until either DeviceTree or ACPI get here, they's also not remarkably easily enumerated.
21:11 infinity Walking /sys after you already loaded all the drivers would work, but that's not how lshw traditionally works.
21:13 RoyK ok
21:13 dioxin hmm even if I remove splash and replace it with text , it still boots to a session manager
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21:13 infinity dioxin: oneiric?
21:13 dioxin yes
21:13 infinity Huh. That was fixed. At least, it was here.
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21:13 GrueMaster dioxin: move /etc/init/lightdm.conf to a different directory. That works here.
21:14 infinity for ARG in $(cat /proc/cmdline); do
21:14 infinity if [ "$ARG" = "text" ]; then
21:14 infinity plymouth quit || :
21:14 infinity stop
21:14 infinity exit 0
21:14 infinity fi
21:14 infinity done
21:14 infinity dioxin: Did you change actually "take"? Do you see a sane command line in /proc/cmdline?
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21:15 dioxin seems so, cat of cmdline seems normal
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21:16 infinity And by "normal", you mean "contains the word text"?
21:16 dioxin ro elevator=noop vram=32M mem=456M@0x80000000 mem=512M@0xA0000000 root=UUID=4ad147d9-7e0b-4fb9-af24-940fe60ac01f fixrtc quiet text
21:17 infinity Hrm, kay. Then lightdm starting is just plain wrong...
21:18 dioxin just moved lightdm.conf to lightdm.conf.bak
21:18 dioxin and I get a cmdline straight away
21:19 infinity As you should, sure.
21:19 infinity But text on the command line should have the same effect.
21:19 infinity Unless you don't have the above code in your lightdm.conf
21:19 infinity In which case, I question if you're actually running oneiric. :P
21:20 infinity (Note that that was fixed in November in oneiric-proposed, so if you haven't upgraded since the install, you wouldn't have it)
21:21 RoyK what's the reason for these custom buses?
21:22 infinity RoyK: Eh?
21:22 GrueMaster Custom busses? They are actually fairly standard for embedded devices.
21:22 infinity RoyK: Every system has custom busses.
21:22 infinity RoyK: Even x86 systems.
21:23 infinity RoyK: The difference is that x86, powerpc, sparc, and a few others, enumerate said busses in a standard (OF/DT/ACPI) way.
21:23 GrueMaster Custom to me implies non-standard.
21:23 infinity RoyK: ARM hasn't, traditionally, but things are moving that direction.
21:23 RoyK ok
21:23 infinity GrueMaster: Yeah, I'm going to stick with "custom", even by your definition. ;)
21:23 RoyK for ARM to gain wide support, I guess that's a must
21:23 infinity GrueMaster: Stuff hanging right off the SoC isn't in a particularly standard formart.
21:24 infinity RoyK: You realise ARM CPUs are in more computers worldwide than any other architecture?
21:24 infinity RoyK: I'd say they have "wide support". ;)
21:24 infinity RoyK: But yes, we all want better device enumeration.
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21:24 RoyK infinity: I know, i know...
21:25 RoyK infinity: but for ARM CPUs to be used in "traditional" computers, you really want device enumeration to work
21:25 infinity RoyK: *hand wavy*
21:25 infinity RoyK: The only place where it really matters is being able to ship a single kernel that boots all devices.
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21:26 RoyK has read a bit about using ARM for HPC, but it seems memory buses on ARM are still slow...
21:26 GrueMaster Not that I have time to debate this, but nothing hangs right off the SOC. The SOC has internal busses, same as Intel with an external south bridge (just in one convenient package).
21:26 infinity RoyK: Which is something Microsoft is pushing. No Win8 logo without ACPI.
21:26 infinity GrueMaster: The SoC has internal bridges on the SoC, hence some things hang "right off it".
21:26 infinity GrueMaster: That's the definition of an SoC.
21:26 infinity GrueMaster: Many devices are right on the SoC, even.
21:27 dioxin infinity: apt-get upgrade 'ing now
21:27 infinity GrueMaster: And there's no standard way for how it's all put together, or how you discover what's there.
21:27 RoyK infinity: right on, as in "simply memory mapped..."?
21:27 infinity RoyK: Yeahp.
21:28 infinity RoyK: And nothing wrong with simple mmaped devices (it's the way sparc and powerpc have gotten by for decades), but you need a way to enumerate the devices in a system, since you can't probe that.
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21:28 infinity sparc and powerpc use device trees, x86 uses ACPI, ARM now has both DT and ACPI implementations, and very few boards supporting either. :P
21:29 RoyK mhm
21:29 infinity RoyK: As for memory throughput, things have improved a lot lately. And products that are "coming soon" are better still.
21:29 infinity RoyK: But it's certainly nowhere near the throughput of, say, AMD systems.
21:29 infinity RoyK: But hey, Intel can't beat AMD's memory throughput either. ;)
21:30 RoyK heh - we use AMD rather a lot for HPC :þ
21:30 RoyK you really want a good memory bus for 16 cores on a cpu
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21:31 infinity Yeah. We tend to buy mirrored AMD and Intel systems, and pick and choose depending on workload.
21:31 infinity If throughput is king, go AMD, if math is where it's at, Intel.
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21:32 dioxin and for portable?
21:32 RoyK is really Intel that much better than AMD on fp?
21:32 RoyK dioxin: portable HPC? ;)
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21:33 dioxin RoyK: no reason why not ;)
21:33 infinity RoyK: Currently, Intel tends to beat AMD on most fp and int workloads. But it's got to be pure number crunching and register flipping. As soon as you start working with large datasets, AMD comes back strong.
21:33 RoyK infinity: the runs we have, usually have 1-4GB datasets per job
21:34 RoyK so I guess we can stay with AMD a while...
21:34 GrueMaster For portable, I'd have to push Intel. I have seen recent models of both Intel & AMD, and the AMD runs a lot hotter.
21:34 dioxin GrueMaster: you were supposed to say ARM ;)
21:34 RoyK lol
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21:36 GrueMaster Well for battery life and low heat, arm by far. But until there is a current mass produced Arm netbook that supports Ubuntu, I have to stick with x86 hardware (AC100 doesn't count as it is discontinued and Asus Prime is not supported in our current releases).
21:39 infinity Yeah, I'm still waiting for a killer ARM netbook. :/
21:39 infinity And with next-gen ARM cores, we could see ARM "ultrabooks" too.
21:39 infinity (ie: fast and small)
21:39 GrueMaster yep.
21:40 infinity But I won't hold my breath until I actually see hardware.
21:42 GrueMaster sigh, why is it the platform I care the lease about has working audio ootb?
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21:45 infinity Speaking of subarches, I should dig up a spare microSD, and get testing mx53 kernels...
21:45 infinity See if we can't get it bumped to 3.2 after the Alpha.
21:46 GrueMaster That would be nice. The current kernel won't work on the newer rev boards.
21:47 infinity Oh, ick, really?
21:47 GrueMaster No usb. It sits and reenumerates in a constant loop.
21:47 infinity That sounds special.
21:47 GrueMaster I'll log it and file a bug, but if the new kernel fixes it, this is moot.
21:48 infinity nods.
21:48 infinity Don't waste your time on it until we've upgraded.
21:48 GrueMaster Meh. Typical hw mod.
21:48 GrueMaster I may need to file it for A2, so other users don't come whining.
21:49 infinity There's that, yeah.
21:50 GrueMaster Also, the system is horridly slow on SD. beagleXM is easily 4x faster.
21:51 infinity Yeah, I use mine on SATA.
21:51 infinity Haven't tested a pure SD setup on the mx53 since a day or two after I got it...
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21:54 GrueMaster [ 57.856303] usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71
21:54 GrueMaster [ 58.626361] usb 1-1: device not accepting address 8, error -71
21:54 GrueMaster [ 59.286332] usb 1-1: device not accepting address 9, error -71
21:54 GrueMaster [ 59.292248] hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1
21:54 GrueMaster From the new mx53 board.
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21:55 GrueMaster (and of course we don't enable serial console on our desktop images, so I can't log in).
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22:06 dioxin infinity: the boot is now fixed after the upgrade
22:06 dioxin takes long enough tho!
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22:59 GrueMaster infinity: Here's an interesting (kind of) bug. Bug 925035 only appears to affect armel. Not seeing it on armhf images.
22:59 ubot2` Launchpad bug 925035 in unity-lens-applications "unity-applications-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/925035
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23:04 RoyK looks at dioxin and wonders if he should renick himself as a pollutant too
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23:05 infinity GrueMaster: Reliably reproducible?
23:05 dioxin shakes his head at RoyK ..... "pollutant indeed" he muses
23:05 GrueMaster Both bladner and I saw it on mx5, I saw it on omap & omap4. All armel images.
23:05 infinity GrueMaster: That sounds fairly reliable. Kay. :)
23:06 GrueMaster Not sure how reproducible it is. I'd have to delete the crash report & retry. Too busy with milestone testing atm.
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23:07 infinity GrueMaster: Yeah, the anecdotal evidence that several people have seen it is enough for now.
23:09 GrueMaster Hmmm. preinstalled-server fails to network via wifi on panda. (could be my config though).
23:10 dioxin I seemed to get that working when I config'ed the wifi via the install process
23:10 dioxin (using PandaboardES
23:10 GrueMaster dioxin: server or desktop image?
23:10 dioxin server image
23:11 GrueMaster Hmmm. Could also be this particular board.
23:12 GrueMaster (I have many).
23:12 dioxin lucky sod ;)
23:12 GrueMaster Lucky? I bought most of them for testing.
23:14 GrueMaster The more I have, the more I can test (to a point). For example, I can currently test every flavor of Ubuntu Precise on omap4 at one time. But I only have one beaglexm, and 8 images to test on it, so it is slower.
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23:17 dioxin I probably shouldnt complain... i have like 5 i5 systems floating around ;) plus others
23:19 GrueMaster I also have a lot of other systems. My office has 5 monitors and 15 systems currently running (2 x86, rest are arm based). Not counting laptops or systems in my rack cabinet.
23:19 dioxin arent they all company supplied?
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23:20 infinity Some are, but he likes to go overboard. ;)
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23:21 dioxin next system I'm likely to go overboard on is RaspberryPi, but only cos per unit they are cheap :D
23:21 GrueMaster I like having a home lab. :P
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23:22 dioxin I need the time to build mine, components are in every draw I can find!
23:22 GrueMaster dioxin: I would hold off. I hear there is another platform in the works that is armv7 and almost as cheap.
23:22 GrueMaster We won't support raspberry pi.
23:22 dioxin I have money to burn on both ;)
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23:23 dioxin 1 pandaboard is like 6 RaspberryPi's I think
23:25 dioxin I've heard wind of the armv7, but they arent even close to production yet
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23:33 RoyK dioxin: isn't 7 the current and 8 the next?
23:33 RoyK with 8 supporting 64bit etc
23:34 dioxin I think for RaspberryPi its arm5 or 6
23:34 GrueMaster Sort of. Armv7 is 32 bit, armv8 will be 64 bit. There are some things in between that have been announced as well.
23:35 GrueMaster Raspberry is Armv6.
23:35 GrueMaster Key difference is Thumb2 support, which reduces the size of instructions (I think).
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23:36 dioxin http://www.arm.com/products/processors/classic/arm11/arm1176.php
23:36 dioxin thats the R-Pi chip
23:36 GrueMaster Yea.
23:37 GrueMaster Arm versioning prior to v7 is a bit wonky.
23:37 dioxin single core only as well I think
23:38 GrueMaster Armv7 is the first to introduce SMP in the SOC. I think some vendors have done it with armv6, but only at the instruction set level (i.e they have their own core design).
23:38 RoyK GrueMaster: *size* of instructions?
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23:39 GrueMaster The Thumb (T32) instruction set provides a subset of the most commonly used 32-bit ARM instructions which have been compressed into 16-bit wide opcodes.
23:40 GrueMaster From http://www.arm.com/products/processors/technologies/instruction-set-architectures.php
23:43 RoyK k
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23:46 dioxin will Ubuntu Server ARM fit onto 4GBs SD?
23:48 GrueMaster Yes.
23:48 GrueMaster All of our preinstalled images are designed for 4G SD or larger.
23:48 dioxin and is there an image for a minimal file system with either SSH or serial?
23:48 GrueMaster It won't give you much room to really go wild, but it is good for some things.
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23:49 GrueMaster The server image is about as minimal for a bootable headless install as we can make. It is configured via serial console.
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